Monday, February 23, 2009
Two decades of Exile
This is an important piece of work. And much enough to enlighten and inform the community that has been holding Kashmiris responsible for their exodus and killings (209 Kashmiri Pandits killed since 1989, say JK cops in first . Though everyone has condemned the killings of the minority people, they are yet to condemn the killings faced by the popular majority. But this one is exception. Read on...
Professor Manohar Nath Tickoo
Professor Manohar Nath Tikko, 74, was a college teacher and head of the department of Education at the Governmnt College Islamabad. He lived in Haire Mohalla, Janglat Mandi in Islamabad before he left Kashmir at the peak of insurgency in 1990. For the last two decades, he is living at the scorching locale of Bohdi in Jammu.
Q1) What prompted your migration?
A:-I left with my family on Friday, 31st May 1990 with the first light in the dawn and reached Jammu same day in the early afternoon. I still remember that fateful day when I was forced by none other than my own wife and daughters to leave. All my Muslim neighbours came to my home biding my family a fond farewell with tearful eyes. Me and my neighbours never wanted my family to leave Kashmir but there was definitely a massive psychological fear created by unknown agencies against the Kashmiri Pandits which forced us to leave. Although the fact remains that not a single Muslim forced us to leave.
Q2) Do you nurture any dreams of coming back?
A:- Well, I do believe that Pundits will get back to their home land but I can't predict a time for it. However, I don't not believe the Central [Indian] or [local] State government claims that the Pandits will be rehabilitated in their original homes. This is a blatant lie, as there hasn't been any strategy for our rehabilitation since we have left the Valley. The past governments did built some residential houses at places like Tulmul, Budgam and Mattan, but I believe this was for electoral politics.
Q3) There are many examples of Pandits returning back. Could you perhaps follow the suit?
A:- No I am sorry. I don't hesitate to tell u a stark fact that I would feel emotionally insulted if I return back to my home this time because we left our mother land without any force from our fellow people. I believe that Kashmiri Pundits should have remained in the Valley and they must have fought the freedom struggle with their fellow Muslim citizens. Even we should have sacrificed in the similar fashion our Muslim brothers did for the Kashmir cause, but unfortunately we did not do that. Even I wouldn't mind if hundred thousand Kashmir Pundits would have been martyred for freedom struggle because Kashmir cause has no less a meaning for Kashmiri Pundits. It is bizarre when we "Kashmir Pundits" vociferously beat the drums, searching for "Panun Kashmir", ironically outside the Kashmir , therefore it has literally lost its spirit and meaning..
Q4) How do you view the Kashmir problem?
A:- Kashmir is a very old issue which has mutated into a monster now. But it can be solved by sincere and honest leadership in India , Pakistan and Kashmir . Gimmicks like holding elections cannot be used to fade the reality of Kashmir being an unresolved issue. Holding election in the presence of half a million troops shows the level of legitimacy and the feigned democratic nature in Kashmir .
My personal opinion is that Kashmir issue is the issue of those who speak Kashmiri language. It should not be hyphenated or related to the other parts like Jammu and Ladakh; they have never been a relative part of Kashmir and had never any cultural, ethnic or communication links with Kashmir . Kashmir has its own history and it should be recognized as an independent state. It had never been a part of India or British India .
Q5) Would the Kashmiri Pandits accept independent Kashmir?
A:- Well, not necessarily. I am expressing my opinion without any bias and duality. The opinions are never same even on a common issue. Let me tell you that majority of Pandits did not support Sheikh Abdullah but the Ahrar Party of Moulvi Yousuf Shah. Well know Pandit activists Prem Nath Bazaz and Prem Nath Yash were in favour of Kashmir's accession with Pakistan . I still remember that time when people were asked to opt between India and Pakistan . My late father Sarvanand Tikko who was the Post Master at Anantnag at that time and we used to live inside the Post Office, signed on the document favouring accession with Pakistan and his four collogues including Ghulam Muhammad Shah of Bijbehra and Jagan Nath Rayess. My late father unfurled the Pakistani flag on the top of the Post Office but the goons of National Conference which include Abdul Ahad Tak of Anantnag town made an assault on my father and his colleagues, beat them to pulp and put down the Pakistani flag. They also tried to set the Post Office on fire.
Q6) Many Kashmiris often refer to Sheikh Abdullah as 'Gaddar' or traitor. How do you view him?
A:- Well, It is easy to be wise after the event. Sheikh Abdullah should have not done the "Ilhaq" or accession with India . He did a very serious blunder for the reason that kashmiri people are suffering a lot. Sadly Sheikh Abdullah had no political vision. Prem Nath Bazaz observed that Sheikh Abdullah had no sense of history and he had never read any history on Kashmir . So one can understand the level of political maturity and sincerity of Sheikh Abdullah.
Q7) The Pandit argument is that Kashmir has always been part of India ?
A:- Kashmir has never been part of India and has no cultural, traditional, ethical and religious semblance with India . Even we Kashmiri Pundits have totally different religious ceremonial and ritual days than of the Indian Hindus and we practice a different mythology. We have no religious attachment with river Ganga ; we used to put the ashes of the dead into the "Naraan Nag Gangbal" near Sonamarg . We never celebrate Diwali but "Hearath". We celebrate a religious day which is called "Sheshar Shenkraat" which is celebrated in the winters in order to avoid demonic influence in winters and there is no example of celebrating such a day in the Indian Hindu mythology. Moreover, Kashmiri Pundits celebrate "Shiv Raatri" differently than Indian Hindus; we prepare a lot of non vegetarian food to break the fast, contrary to Hindus who abstain from meat on the day.
Similarly Kashmiri Muslims have a different culture with no relevance with that of Indian culture. Politically, the UN resolutions stand witness to the Kashmir dispute and promises the right to self determination. Had Kashmir not been a disputed state then why Kashmir has its own constitution and flag. And why Pundit Jawahar Lal Nehru took the Kashmir issue to the United Nations. It was only because of Indian political prejudice and insincerity that autonomy of Kashmir was eroded.
Q 8) How would you see the contours of its resolution?
A:- Well, Kashmir is a much political issue than a religious one. Kashmir has suffered because of a historical political mistake so the key to its resolution is strong political struggle which is possible only when we have strong political institutions with sincere leaders having unanimity on the common Kashmir cause.
So far we have failed on diplomatic and international level only because of the poor and corrupt leadership. It is imperative to coordinate the political groups and bring them under one banner and one single leader. I would suggest Sayed Sayed Ali Shah Geelani who has shown strength and resilience while others change their cloaks often. But there has to be inclusion of Pandits in the political leadership.
Q10) How would you place Article 370 in this jigsaw puzzle?
A:- The Article 370 has no future unless it does not get a permanent place in the Indian Constitution. Since the Article 370 is a temporary Article, it can be abrogated any time by the parliament of India and BJP has included the abrogation of Article 370 in its election manifesto. I think we Kashmiris should have fought vigorously for the permanence of the Article 370. Since the Article 370 is followed with the word "Temporary" has no meaning unless it does not get divorce from it. Moreover, the Indian leadership has always failed to give the due share to the Kashmiris in their democratic doctrines as established in 1950.
Q12) How do you see the future of Kashmir?
A: - We must pin hope against hope on the fourth generation after 1947 who can give respite to Kashmiris if they succeed to apply their brains properly.
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Good write up. But I think we should not expect anything good from Pandits. They are people with communal mindset. They want to see all of us dead. I do not want them to return back as their exodus is a blessing for us. A good riddance. Thank Almighty for that.
They belong to this valley and they must return.
The Pandit argument is that Kashmir has always been part of India ?
It was a really good write up here.But i would comment on the answer of above question's.
Its understandable that kashmiries hindu are soo different from indian hindus,but so does the bengali hindus,so does the pUnjabi hindus, so does the maharastrian hindus,so does the south indian hindu,they have different culture,langague,festivals,clothes,tradiations and .......even GODS..Thats the beauty OF THIS COUNTRY.. "UNITY IN DIVERSITY"..so shall we all break it apart...and make our own countries??????
Dolly, the issue is that in 1858 Britishers sold( sold) Kashmir--an independent Country taken over from Mughals to Dogra rulers for few pennies. Kashmiris were lagaaned, levied huge taxes, denied jobs and what not--till the reign of Hindu Maharaja Hari Singh. The grandfather of current CM Omar Abdullah fought his toughest to get rid Kashmir of Mahraja and succeeded. At that time state's population was 95 percent Muslims and 5 percent Hindus.
Here you have to read history carefully as to how and why Maharaja acceded( if he really-coz India claimed that the document he signed first lost and India reclaimed it after few days. However it is yet to show it to UN)----anywayz--in 1948 before UN general assembly, the fate of the state mostly Muslims was promised by none other than PM Nehru to be solved according to wishes of kashmiris. He promised plebiscite....and this promise is yet to be fulfilled-----And this is exactly people are fighting for---
It all now needs the sincerity of the Indian government, otherwise the issue will keep on lingering with next generation falling in the fight...
regards....
And yes the pandit argument might be that who left the valley-but those who are living here ask them what they want---you will see the line quite opposite. ask Sanjay Kak who made the documentary Jeshne-Azadi.....
All my greetings to kashmir views,
i am really very happy to read your blog,wonderful piece of information on the geographical and economical value of Kashmir.
Its good that you have so much for you to prosper in future,with all that natural gifts Kashmir bears.
But my questions were bit different,what pakistan is doing? or what indian have done? is not my point to make here...in my previous answer, i was trying to know that after all the saviouries and smart thinking,present in kashmir..why its soo directionless.
Indian army? pakistan army? Media?........fine evryone is bothering you people..i understand..but what you have done so far..either get yourself freed frm all that,and enjoy the kashmir's good weather.you have been giving examples Estonia Latvia and Lithuania changed after freedom,but they must have done something to get it.
But its just like crying over spilt milk again,again and again....i dont want to persuade you here to join india,india has already got so many issues to handel...but my thinking here was HOW MUCH YOU GUYS ARE GONA BEAR?????...so what's the next step...and how many are following it..writing blogs from dubai,banglore,delhi..and feeling patrotic..wow thats really a hard work..i think its time we behave diplomatcially rather than voilent.
When Britisher's ruled india,it was evryone who fought for it,for the FREEDOM.
Since the culture,the festival are soo different from india,everyone wants to achieve the same goal of freedom.But after that, what happened a kashmiri pandit ( jahawar lal nehru),and one muslim leader ( mohd.ali jinna),wants equal political roles.And the next thing we know is...Pakistan is born,and angreez left us to shed each other's blood.
Next thing came creeping from behind is who is kashmir's daddy?? india or pakistan..with no resons at all the slaughter starts..My point here is its just human greed my dear friend...it will never stop...i will be happy if kashmir gets it so called freedom and enjoys all its natural resources.
But then it will your own who will backstab you..this greed of power will never cease.
If taken into consideration that you are ok dealing with your own issues...still sounds good to me..but the fact that,you people travel to every city in india for your education,works here live here leaving kashmir all alone.....does not make you even 1% appreciatable toward the country,after all you are not, only loosing everytime....and if not, then you should all behave like a proud man and keep your self esteems and should choose UK OR USA for further studies...i am sure some of them must be doing it..all should do it.
My question " how will you survive" does not only means your revanues earned...but first getting freedom from british,then india, then kashmir ....after soo many freedom issues how much you are left with???
There are blogs filled with kashmir pains,anti-india,anti-press,anti-pakistan......a non-kashmiri reads it pay sympathy and leave,a kashmiri reads it,blood rises, patriotism comes,and wants to change the world writes another blog..calms down..leaves for work tommrow.
No ones telling me what they will do to enjoy there own earth,only engrossed in telling what has happening since ages.And for those who knows the answers are rather too busy to even write blogs,or earning good in some other country,or simply cannot implement them...sorry but too much stuck in present & past.
I am not india fanactic,as you all sound kashmiri fanatic,i do take things in account which are unjustifiable in india,but i think thats how everyone should balance things talk about bad but,also about good.If indai have kashmir issue, then it also have gujrat issue, tamil tigers,look at bihar?? which state is not suffering....but looking at the brighter side,makes you always appreciate LIFE...
Hi,
What this post shows is that Kashmiri Muslim is closer to Kashmiri Hindu than a Keralite or Bengali Muslim.Ditto with other sub nationalities like bengalies,tamils,marathies,sindhies etc.
Hari singh was nursing the thought of INDEPENDDNECE just like Travancore Mharaja of south and Nizam of Hyderabad.They never wanted Independdence from British and wanted their lifestyles to continue.As Sheikh Abdullah got freedom from Maharaja , so also other freedom fighters in Indian subcontinent like Frontier Gandhi of Afghanistan.But British are clever people and they wanted conflict so that both Indians and Pakistanies will fight while they will sell their arms to both nations.
I am asking you only one question .What do you mean by wishes of kashmiries?The wish is either pakistan or India in case pakistani army and Indian army vacate their positions.You donot have the option of INDEPENDENCE which is what i see both side of kashmiries want.
Captain Johann thanks for the comments, your observation is correct when you say that both parts of divided Kashmirs want independence from both countries. Here I would like to take back you to 2007 statement of Mushraff who suggested to pull back from Pak administered Kashmir provided India follow suit. But there was a cold response from Indian side-
Now that the news have erupted over which Steve coll have also written that both countries were close to a deal in 2006 over Kashmir---but hawks on the eastern part of radcliff line always made it sure that this deal never matures.
It needs sincerity to solve this tangle, otherwise it is not much complicated as has been voiced time and always...
Hi,
Musharaff is hated by Pakistanies and their legally elected leader is Zardari due to his wife being killed.
You have not answered the question.When views of Kashmiries is to be found when both armies vacate it.All kings like hari singh or Nepal king who lost his kingdom recently were loathed by people except very few.
Pakistan expects kashmiries to join them while, Indians want them to have the LOC recognised.
But Kashmiries donot understand one thing about India.
India is the biggest Muslim nation after Indonesia.If kashmir goes to Pakistan, then the backlash in India against Indian Muslims will be terrible. No party whether congress or BJP can stop this mayhem.
Why Pakistan wants Kashmir or Kashmiries want to go to pakistan. It is Islam and Muslim Umma.Thinking kashmiries must look at this problem. ISI will like to see this happen so that India is disintegrated.China may be a gainer but Kashmiries will loose in that mayhem.I want you to read the letter of 1952 by 12 Indian Muslims on this subject. It hold good now more than ever.
Do you want SWAT,FATA,NWFP,WAZIRSTAN to be rrepeated in Kashmir.Work for withdrawal of Indian army from population ccentres.
We shouldn't rake issues like SWAT,FATA,NWFP,WAZIRSTAN. Beacuse India too has its issues like this-just because they are not rigtly projected by media, we aint talk abut them. India is also battling 54 separatist/ greater autonomy movements across, the whole north east, naxals, mosits..Remeber when GW BUsh declared maoists and naxals greater threat than pakistan and kashmir...
Yes India is inhibited by muslims who outnumber muslims of any other country. But they seem to be stuck there --a choice hurled on them.
( Gujrat, mumbia riots, sacchar report, delhi riots)--they suggest what a muslim minority is all in for..)
In this interview too, please read carefully what the kashmiri pandit is talking about...even he also wants UN agreed plebsite..
But agree when you say we should work for demilitrisation first. Yes we cant have 0.8 million troops for 62 lakh population which is the continuous cause of grave human rights violation.
Dolly, the reason why a Bengali Hindu can co-exist peacefully (for the most part) with a Mizo Christian and a Malayali Muslim in India is because they subscribe to a type of nationalism called civic nationalism. Basically, their relationship with 'India' is defined by the Constitution, with which they are in basic agreement with (civil liberties, free and fair elections, freedom of press etc.).
Perhaps, this is why Kashmiri 'separatism' shocks many well-meaning Indians. But the problem is that a civic nationalism has never been allowed to develop in Kashmir, because of the actions of our Union Government and army. The AFSPA and other acts completely undermine the Constitution in the valley, and Kashmiris have had none of the civil liberties and representative governments that we take for granted. The Supreme Court, which has so often come to the rescue of democracy in India, has completely failed the Kashmiris.
They are constantly suppressed and alienated, and feel no connection to India. The fact they are mostly non-Hindu and a border state has also contributed, but those are not the fundamental reasons.
A civic nationalism could have developed in Kashmir, and both Indians and Kashmiris would have benefited immensely, but it hasnt. And so we should just let Kashmiris decide their future now.
Great interview..I salute Mr. Tikoo for his honest comments......There are thousands of Kashmiri pundits who feel like Mr. Tikoo.All Kashmiri Pundits who want to struggle alongside Kashmiri Muslims for the freedom struggle should come back to the valley. After independence of kashmir from India, rest of the Kashmiri pundits should be allowed to come back so that they do not sabatoge the freedom movement of Kashmir. ajaztam@hotmail.com
Kashmir is a very complex issue. It is defining it than sovliving it.last two decades have seen heroes who in the name of resolving this issue through voilence have ended up in destroying the social fabric of harmony in Kashmir valley leave alone rest of JK which includes PAK which has always lost their sight. In gilgit people do not dare to talk of dispute , they have no basic rights. Destructon is no solution to JK problems all need to sit and thrash out a workiable solution to the problems before asking Inaid and Pakistan to involve JK people.Unless and until we we leave one upmanship and majority-minority visions of look at the problem we will continue to be grinded by the world powers. Mind this. Displaced KPs and Kashmir Mustims need to take the initiative first rest can be involved later , to find a solution that leads to the developments of the JK people incojding the people of India and Pakistan.
The interview u state is very non-specific...if Indian govt gave instructions for ppl to leave after many were getting killed I guess its justified and
not to be taken in the garb of "tact". whenever citizens or a group of them are in danger governments tell them to move...its also seen in our households
when mothers tell their kids not to talk... Read More to starngers...now how many of starngers are "bad"...but they still tell them...is that some kind of
tact to make them brainwashed?
@ Icedtea
How can you justify exodus of one community and killing of other by the government. And if your comments are to believed then why was a monority community told to leave when it was majority of people who had to lose life every minute.
In early 1990, a few prominent Kashmiri Pandits were killed by the
JKLF for political reasons; Though the JKLF tried to explain that
the killings of Pandits were not communal, the murders caused a
scare among the minority Hindu community. The rise of new militant
groups, some warnings in anonymous posters and some unexplained
killings of innocent members of the community contributed to an
atmosphere of insecurity for the Kashmiri Pandits, which led to
the exodus of most of the 162,500 Hindus in the Valley, including
the entire Kashmiri Pandit community in March. Some of the
unexplained killings could very well have been due to renegades.
Joint reconciliation efforts by members from both Muslim and
Pandit communities were actively discouraged by Jagmohan [please consult Balraj Puri, Kashmir: Towards Insurgency, New Delhi 1993,
pp.64-67 and Kuldip Nayar, Kashmiri Pandits: Political games worsen their plight , Times of India, 18 April 97}
There have been charges that this exodus was encouraged by
Jagmohan, who has a reputation for having anti-Muslim sentiments who were in majority in Kashmir, to enable India to have a "free hand" in dealing with the Muslims in the Valley, a charge which Jagmohan has
denied.
[ Jagmohan, Current. 26 May - 1 June 1990, as quoted in PHRO
Report, 1990.: "Every Muslim in Kashmir is a militant today. All
of them are for secession from India. I am scuttling Srinagar
Doordarshan's programmes because every one there is a
militant.....The bullet is the only solution for Kashmir. Unless
the militants are fully wiped out, normalcy can't return to the
Valley."]
A thorough, independent enquiry alone can show if this
exodus was entirely unavoidable. An estimated 36,000 Hindu
families and 20,000 Muslim families (as of 1993) have fled the
Valley and many of them still languish in the refugee camps in
Jammu and Azad Kashmir.
and mothers never tell their elder sons to be in house and let the younger ones for the wolves...
regards
Umar, i need to ask you that how many kashmiri women pandits did you rape and how many of them did you kill..How many of their houses did you loot? how many of the ORIGINAL INHABITANTS OF KASHMIR did you drive out? If your answer to all these questions NO, then stop talking about them. You yourself are a blogger and must have read that how they accuse us. We should not let them come back. they are serpents and need to be kept away from us..
regards
xx
The interview of Mr Tiku has no relevance. It's not only he but all KPs were given a warm send off by their Muslim neighbours on their leaving Kashmir as they wanted them to be safe outside the bounds of the then lawless Kashmir especially unsafe for Pandits. Why did he not stay back that time instead of moving out? Mr Tiku has forgotten that many over enthusiastic pandits stayed back who defied the sincere directions of their well wishers among Muslims and got killed by the overzealous gun men. Mr tiku supports all the concerns of the seperatists then why doesn't he go back, settle down and join their movement as their prominent leader? No KP can represent this anti-Inda tirade as no KM will trust him. There is a big differene in talk and action. No KP has any grudges against the majority in Kashmir. They are ready to welcome us in their hearts with open arms but they are dumbfolded for the fear of gun. Regarding the life of KPs outside Kashmir, they definitely suffer from worst nostalgia but live comfortably without the fear of death or dishonour. No KP is ready to live a life at the mercy of the whims and moods of the elements bent on changing the total demography of Kashmir. The people like Mr Tiku only tarnish the image of a KP with a pure rich Kashmir cultural heritage of thousands of years...... (not concluded)
Ok Do you mean we should belive JL Bhat who is sitting in his cosy room at Hrayana and forget Mr Ticko's views who lives in Jammu ghettos.
Wake up....Mr Bhat--Don't forget Sanjay'tickoo's ( Kashmi rsnaghrash samiti president)recent statemnet in which he priased Mr GEELANI and asked for resolution of Kashmir issue in accordance to the wishes of people living here,..
Hi Kashmir views! I've already given sufficient clearance to every query you raise. Please don't try arguing for the sake of argument only. My point is why Mr Tiku is in Jammu not at his original Kashmir residence with these views. Why does he not actively join your struggle? There is lot of difference between theory and practice. KPs didn't vacate Kashmir for the fear of their Muslim neighbours. They continue to be their well wishers and want them back in their homes. They feel themselves deprived of something special with their absence. They couldn't guarentee their security neither in 1990 nor can they today. That's why Tiku Sahib is in Jammu. Unless Pakistan stops undue interference in Kashmir things can't improve neither for you nor for us. This insurgency is a well organised gameplan of Pakistan to settle scores with India not out of any sympathy for Kashmir. They're making the raw youth of Kasmir scapegoats to give it the feeling of an uprising which it isn't.
There have been charges that pandit exodus was encouraged by
Jagmohan, who has a reputation for having anti-Muslim sentiments who were in majority in Kashmir, to enable India to have a "free hand" in dealing with the Muslims in the Valley.
[ Jagmohan, Current. 26 May - 1 June 1990, as quoted in PHRO
Report, 1990.: "Every Muslim in Kashmir is a militant today. All
of them are for secession from India. I am scuttling Srinagar
Doordarshan's programmes because every one there is a
militant.....The bullet is the only solution for Kashmir. Unless
the militants are fully wiped out, normalcy can't return to the
Valley."]
I guess you have also watched sanjay kak's Jashne Azadi
Hey Umar (Kashmirviews), what is the history of Chinese controlled Kashmir?
Did that happened because India and Pakistan were too busy keeping their troops against each other?
It was good to read all the comments and argus here on ur blog.
Politics is the biggest enemy of a men kind and Kashmir is that game. Kashmiris are getting sandwitched. Let's hope this gets a solution as it has been so long since everyone's suffering. So far, I have not heard from any of my fellow indians that Kashmir is different country for Kashmiris. we always thought that Kashmir is heart of India and still thinking the same. I knew now from ur blog that Kashmir is not a part of India and got disappointed to see young and brilliant generation like you has this kind of views. Stronger the people are stronger the Government will be. If u all, young generation will stand united then only we will see the change. Dont get in to those brainwash talks of our religious and political leaders , they all have their personal interest of well being of their family as well as the future generation only.
thanks
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